If I say, “If you oppose a blacklist existing within a closed alternative sexuality community (if they are private clubs who insist on membership they are “closed” communities) then you should have the same legal rights as the rape victims these blacklists are designed to help” that doesn’t mean “I think you should be raped.” It means that if a whole bunch of people show up with stories about you violating their consent then I think it’s ok to say maybe you shouldn’t come back.
Yes, this conflicts with disability rights if the person being complained about is autistic and “didn’t mean” to offend anyone. Yup. That’s true. Given the sheer numbers of people being assaulted versus false report statistics… I think rape victims need some way of aggregating their stories so they can figure out that people in their community are habitual predators.
Do I think the black list is the best way to solve it? Meh. I don’t have a better idea. And I recognize this as a problem that needs to be solved. I don’t have a better solution to offer. If you have nothing better to offer and all you want to do is enforce the status quo… Maybe you need to find out what happens when things are shaken up.
Sure it might hurt some people. Life is like that. There are people being hurt right now. If there are hundreds or thousands of people being hurt right now and there is the possibility of translating that into dozens or hundreds then… are the handful of people being persecuted for how “weird” they are worth the trade?
Clearly the men being shoved under the bus don’t consider this a worthy trade. They think that as long as all the rape victims have access to a legal system (that prosecutes less than 5% of rapes) then we are all good.
I’m very sorry that you make people so uncomfortable that they habitually feel sexually violated after spending time with you. That sounds pretty awful. But maybe there are some aspects of your behavior that could be tweaked a bit. I’m not saying you shouldn’t exist. I am saying maybe you shouldn’t interact with people in the ways that are causing problems. Am I victim blaming? Maybe.
The rate of false rape reports is very small. Estimates between 3% and 8% depending on where you look. I will not take seriously hyperbolic statements about how prevalent false reporting is. It’s not a big problem. It just isn’t.
I can’t throw out a reporting system because of a 3%-8% error. That’s small enough that there will still be enormous benefit. What about the 92%-97% that might be accurately tracked? That’s a lot. That’s huge.
It’s not perfect but I support them trying.
Why is a closed board with hidden reporting better than the transparency some detractors are demanding? Because perpetrators are very good at shouting down victims. If every report is real time shown in a place where the perpetrator can see it then the spike in abuse will be horrendous.
If we were talking about taking away their jobs or their homes or putting them on the sex offender registry I’d agree that we need all due legal process. Of course. People are allowed to decide they don’t want to invite you to their party without due legal process. It’s called freedom of association.
I get banned from places too. I’ve been freakin excommunicated. So yes I get that social ostracism sucks a lot.
But we live in a big world. People can move. If one social group doesn’t work for you that doesn’t mean you should have the legal right to force those people through some semblance of being your friend.
What if they are picking based on race? Or religion? Or. Or.
You can’t force people to be friends. That never works out. There will always be pools of people who don’t want to do __________ with you. Is it hard? Yes. But I don’t think there is a way to take away that hard.
Especially when what you want is access to a sex community where you get to hit people… you really don’t have a lot of right to be demanding. Sorry. No, you aren’t entitled to anything. You can still hunt for partners. You’ve been hunting on the internet for sex partners for almost as long as I’ve been alive. I think that it will continue to be fruitful for a few years now.
If the quality of the partners you find is not what you want then you can’t get mad at the community for not providing. Maybe an appropriate partner for you doesn’t exist. That happens sometimes.
It is very convenient to talk about the fact that some people never find a partner when I am all cozily partnered up.
My husband could die. My husband could leave me. These things happen. If I am alone when I am an old woman it won’t surprise me a bit. I won’t feel entitled to a replacement body just because I like having one around.
We are never entitled to sex. We can only have it if we manage to inspire people around us to want to have it with us. Yup, that is often harder for guys than girls. Sorry. That’s a big fat privilege. I get it. You resent that in some ways it is easier being a woman. Don’t know what to tell you.
No one is entitled to sex. It may be a personal need but that doesn’t mean that anyone else needs to help us out. Sometimes our needs go unmet.
Sometimes in life your needs will not be met. That happens. There is no way to make it not happen. You just decide what kind of person you will be.
If you can only be a nice person when you are getting what you want then you aren’t a nice person.
I am not a nice person even when I’m getting what I want just for clarity. No ambiguity here.
Do I think a blacklist sounds awesome? Not really. I don’t think I will end up on the list purely because I’m not picking up new partners any more. I don’t think people will dredge up shit from ten years ago. There are more than a few people who could complain about me though. If the community board wanted to have words with me about my ability to maintain respectful boundaries I would listen. I’m aware that I frequently fail in that department.
These days I default to not touching people. Apparently that is not an acceptable alternative for some people. I think the justification is that I get a lot of touch from my kids and partner so I don’t get to say that they have to do with no touch at all.
But if you don’t have people in your life who want you to touch them… actually your only option is to not touch. Sorry. Your need to touch does not outweigh peoples right to decide when and where and by whom they are touched. Even the back of my fucking hand, mother fucker. Go talk to HAI. And if you get kicked out of HAI I really don’t know what to tell you.
You are not three years old. You can’t get away with stroking the hands of strangers just because you want to. Yup, life is unfair and you are persecuted. I get it. Sometimes life is like that.
I love you. I don’t even know why. I never really understand why I love people. Why I put up with the things that bother me. Because I don’t want to be alone either. Because I understand that skin hunger and loneliness. Because my company is really all I have to give and if that is enough–here fine.
I can see benefit to knowing almost everyone. People have things to teach me. Stories to tell me. World views to help me understand.
It sounds like being autistic is shitty with a side topping of shit sandwich. Not because being autistic is bad but because people often are really mean to you because you can’t just “be like everyone else”. Because you can’t pull off the social mechanisms that neuro-typical people use to be liked. These things are just invisible.
The thing is, I’m only good at a very narrow range of those social skills and learning them was very hard. It took a lot of fucking up and specifically working on how to talk to people.
You know how folks sit at home and play video games because they don’t know how to talk to people? I go walk around malls and strike up random conversations. I walk around my neighborhood and force conversation on my neighbors. I talk to people in grocery stores. Other parents in museums. I have learned how to talk to anyone, anywhere with a lot of painstaking effort. Sure most of my early efforts concluded with someone walking away rapidly and sometimes calling me a name. So what? They are low stakes conversations. I will probably never see them again. Who cares if they call me a freak or a bitch?
I’m not the most socially adept person out there but I haven’t had anyone recoil from my inappropriate behavior in a while. (I feel like I should get one of those signs they have in auto shops: “X days since our last accident” only mine will say “X days since Krissy was last socially inappropriate.”)
Want to know the single biggest factor in making me less offensive? I’m not chasing sex any more. Women don’t react as if I am a hated competitor and men (and women) don’t feel the need to either respond sexually or reject me. That means that I’m a lot easier to deal with. Sex makes everything more challenging and complicated. I no longer cause people to have a complicated and uncomfortable conversation with themselves about what they want from me.
And the second biggest factor in making me less offensive these days is despite being a serious know-it-all I don’t act like I am socially dominant in most spaces. I may chatter and babble on but I don’t boss people around. I don’t tell them what they “should” do.
If you spend a lot of time telling people that you could “fix” their problems if they just listen to you then be fucking prepared to get your fucking life in order so you can fucking prove that your “fix” is effective.
I kill most of my relationships trying to fix people. It’s a quick way to drive people away.
Social dominance is a weird game. I’m not a good leader and I’m not a good follower. I tend to get into major personality clashes with people who are pushy with their social dominance. I try to be more timid with timid people. Putting most of my personality into a bag and storing it for later takes effort.
I don’t believe in government blacklists but I do believe that small groups of people are allowed to be selective about who they hang out with.
Otherwise you can’t have a Masons group or a Girl Scout troupe or a Boy Scout troupe or a Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival. We are allowed to discriminate. There are fucking millions of people within an hour drive of me. I don’t have to be friends with all of them. (Brain goes explode.)
Many years ago a nice lady in the scene told me, “Be careful about playing with him. He goes hard and fast.” Then when I did play with him he put a cattle prod on my cunt.
If there had been a community board where I could have reported the issue and people who were more experienced than me could have sat him down to talk about why his thought process broke along the line from “I have three hard limits: scat, water sports, and cattle prods” to “Oh surely she won’t mind!”
I think it would have been good for both of us. I think that it would have been helpful for both of us to have support talking through a difficult issue.
It wasn’t an issue I wanted to take to the police and I still feel like that was the right choice. He fucked up pretty big. Putting a cattle prod on someones cunt after they have explicitly told you not to is kind of a big deal. I could have gone to the police… only I wouldn’t have gotten support. I would have felt revictimized. And it was an otherwise consensual scene. I *did* want him to hurt me. Just not like that. That’s not something that should involve police in my opinion.
But… right now there is nothing. There is shut the fuck up or sue. I think a community board has the possibility of being a useful mid-level way of handling things. Not everything requires the police. Sometimes there are still problems that have to be handled.
I’m trepidatious but willing to give it a shot.
I was really impressed with the “Consent Matters” web site. In general, they have a very thin, very difficult line to walk there. How much *do* they represent the community? How much are they just a group of people? Clearly they aren’t the police, but clearly it’s very useful to have help and support in filing reports on such things, when needed.
I think they do a great job of expressing that “we’re from the community, but it’s not like we *are* the community. We try to help, but we can only do what we can do. We can provide a little transparency, but other people can take action or not.”
And I don’t think they can or should do more than those things.